[joomla] K2, what where they thinking?
Arzie Hardin
arzieh at gmail.com
Mon Jan 25 14:11:47 EST 2010
hey Gary, thanks for your response. I hear what you are saying that using
tags is a way to go. A tag solution was my first approach, but I could find
no way to create tag menu items (to mimic sec/cat) for addressable tag
labled article lists/layouts. Do you know of a solution/technique to do
this?
Plus, all of the cool news article layout modules (JXTC/Gavick News Pro,
etc.) all only supported (as in "loodked for") joomla sec/cat, with the
exception of RokNews which could also support k2 elements. I am sure there
is probably a way to do this by combining alot of the techniques mentioned,
but it just seems to me that when creating a new CCK capability it is a
missed opportunity to not also improve and make an easy way to handle
complex categorization, especially since it has been accomplished with the
directory/listing solutions.
Obviously I am not an extension developer and there could be very good
reasons why noone except one develper has attempted it, but it sure would be
nice. :-)
-Arzie
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:18:49 -0500
> From: Arzie Hardin <arzieh at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [joomla] K2, what where they thinking?
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> Though I am not as familiar with the plumbing details, I have to say I am a
> bit torn over K2 and most all of the other new "CCK" (content creation kit)
> solutions, as well as some of the old directory solutions now "re-branded"
> as CCK.
>
> The biggest missed opportunity to me with with having the ability to create
> new content types is the seemingly obvious capability to also define new
> organizational models, specifically multi-categorization which all of the
> new solutions miss. Both, having more than two levels (e.g. section and
> category in joomla core) for each content type, as well as the ability to
> have one piece of content appear in more than a single category. This is
> already possible with the major directory extentions (Sobi2, Moset tree)
> for
> listings, but it is dead on arrival in all of the CCK solutions except for
> one, which happens to be the only ioncube ecrypted and of course commercial
> solution (Mighty Extensions Resources). ME Resources is actually really
> good
> for exactly this, but you are stuck with there environment for most every
> thing else (community, media, listings, comments, etc.). I have heard that
> sobi2 could be tuned to publish articles, but just as ME Resources, if you
> go that route you are restricted from using the wealth of com_content based
> modules and plugins looking for joomla core sections and categories.
>
> I have heard different things about what to expect in J1.6, some of which
> says it will natively handle multi-mapping (improve on the current one
> content, one category model) and support category nesting (sub-categories),
> but I have a feeling it may just be the later.
>
> If anyone knows of any other solution/hacks for multi-categorization of
> joomla com_content articles (Jseblod cck is close, but no multi-mapping),
> please point me to it.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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> > Doing things differently for the sake of different is silly.
> >
> > They have some really nice clean code there.
> >
> > Then they do weird things like use an MVC framework for 80% of the code,
> > and
> > then one vital function which if they had used MVC could be easily
> adjusted
> > with a template override, they stick the html output in the
> controller.....
> >
> > Their field definitions are very basic...no harm there, but WHY do their
> > own
> > coding? Joomla already has a built in set of field definitions that are
> > much richer, why code your own when you have it sitting right there to
> use?
> >
> > Oh well.... I feel like by this time in a week and half I'll have the K2
> > system I want..... but then what to do with all those hacks?
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> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Arzie Hardin <arzieh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Though I am not as familiar with the plumbing details, I have to say I am
> a
> > bit torn over K2 and most all of the other new "CCK" (content creation
> kit)
> > solutions, as well as some of the old directory solutions now
> "re-branded"
> > as CCK.
> >
> > The biggest missed opportunity to me with with having the ability to
> create
> > new content types is the seemingly obvious capability to also define new
> > organizational models, specifically multi-categorization which all of the
> > new solutions miss. Both, having more than two levels (e.g. section and
> > category in joomla core) for each content type, as well as the ability to
> > have one piece of content appear in more than a single category. This is
> > already possible with the major directory extentions (Sobi2, Moset tree)
> for
> > listings, but it is dead on arrival in all of the CCK solutions except
> for
> > one,
> >
>
> My perspective is completely different. I think that this solution already
> exists for almost all of them, including regular old Joomla content.
>
> A complex many to many categorization system is best done via tags. You
> can
> setup a tag system where only you get to create the tags, and only your
> authors can pick them.
>
> You can do multi-levle cagtegorization by borrowing a simple trick off of
> venerable old Lotus Notes and name your tags
> <category><seperator><sub-category>
>
> For example:
> Apparel\Shirts\Fancy
> Appare\Shirts\muscle
>
> Then it's just a matter of a few modules and display layouts to explode the
> tags.
>
>
> For my own personal use, I tend towards the following section/category
> structure:
>
> Ideas\Site
> Ideas\Articles
> Ideas\Blog
> Ideas\Pages
>
> then
>
> Draft\Site
> Draft\Articels
> Draft\Blog
> Draft\Pages
>
> to
>
> Ready\Site
> Ready\Articles
> Ready\Blog
> Ready\Pages
>
> and then someday
>
> Archived\Site
> Archived\Articles
> Archived\Blog
> Archived\Pages
>
>
> Where Site is for articles about the company or site.
> Articles is for general informational stuff
> Blogs is for "blog" style articles
> And Pages is for static pages
>
>
> The benefit of this system is that you can setup your search plugins so
> they
> only index ready and archive items. While you can still "publish" ideas
> and
> drafts and send direct links to others to solict feedback without having to
> give them an account on your site.
>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:52:02 -0500
> From: Gary Mort <garyamort at gmail.com>
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> Been using Chrome for about 4 days.
>
> Ok, there is a LOT I hate about it. It's too small and compact and harder
> to read. Or it's too big and sprawling and pages go off my screen!
>
> BUT, it is FAST. Blazingly fast.
>
> I finally gave it a try when I was helping a friend tune up her daughters
> netbook because it was slow, and I had to go to a website. I opened both
> Chrome and Firefox at the same time and Chrome zipped open and loaded it's
> page....Firefox.....draggggggged.
>
> Sometimes speed is good.
>
> I ESPECIALLY like to use chrome for Joomla backend admin. Even if I decide
> I can't stand the interface, I'll still keep it for that because it is much
> zippier.
>
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> From: Sean Scott <therealsrs at yahoo.com>
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> I had the same feeling when I first started using it. But after a few
> months it did eventually slow down. I also found that Chrome doesn't handle
> multiple tabs as well as Firefox. Yes, if one crashes, then it's just that
> one, but that really doesn't happen that often for me on Firefox. If I
> remember correctly, after spending a lot of time in one tab on Chrome, when
> you tried to return to another, it was blank and took a really long time to
> come back. Very annoying! And last thing, some sites weren't showing
> properly. So I went back to using Firefox. Keep in mind though I use
> bookmarks extensively so I don't know if that's what's slowing down both
> browsers. Besides that and the fact I always open up many tabs, I can't
> think of why it slowed down. I keep running virus and malware scans and
> nothing. Oh well, good luck!
>
> - Sean
>
> ---------------------
> Sean R Scott
> CEO, SoulRealiS
> http://soulrealis.com
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>
>
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> From: Gary Mort <garyamort at gmail.com>
> To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <joomla at lists.nyphp.org>
> Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 8:52:02 AM
> Subject: [joomla] Chrome: wow...just.....wow
>
> Been using Chrome for about 4 days.
>
> Ok, there is a LOT I hate about it. It's too small and compact and harder
> to read. Or it's too big and sprawling and pages go off my screen!
>
> BUT, it is FAST. Blazingly fast.
>
> I finally gave it a try when I was helping a friend tune up her daughters
> netbook because it was slow, and I had to go to a website. I opened both
> Chrome and Firefox at the same time and Chrome zipped open and loaded it's
> page....Firefox.....draggggggged.
>
> Sometimes speed is good.
>
> I ESPECIALLY like to use chrome for Joomla backend admin. Even if I decide
> I can't stand the interface, I'll still keep it for that because it is much
> zippier.
>
> --
> ----
> Hudson Valley Sudbury School
> What GPL is for application users
> Our school is for students
> Help your children grow, change, and learn
> Let your child direct, control, amend
> Check out http://www.sudburyschool.org
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>
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